Saturday, December 22, 2007


Hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year!


Voltron said...

Merry Christmas FF, TT and you too Johnny! Hope everyone and their family is healthy and doing well.

Voltron said...

Oh, and lest I forget to the libtards as well.

Voltron said...

LOL! I just stumbled across this quote:

"Q: Why are conservatives opposed to gun control?"
"A: In case we have to shoot Democrats. It happened during the Civil War, and it could happen again."

It's attributed to P.J. O’Rourke...

Freedom Fan said...

Merry Christmas to you too, Volt.

Great quote by O'Rourke.

Liberals like to insist that yesterday's Democrats, who oppressed blacks as slaves and fought the North in the civil war, were really Republicans!

You see, today's Democrats are really descendents of Lincoln.

This lends further support to my thesis:

Liberals are either insane, dishonest, intellectually lazy or some combination.

Happy New Year.

Voltron said...

Fascinating to watch...

Worflebee and Lydia both "wondering" where the "trolls" went.

Mikey on a previous thread declaring that the "trolls" were scared to debate him.

And larry just quietly deletes our (at least MY) posts every single one, every single time...

And this is how democracy would work if they were in power too.
Everything would be beautiful and everyone would agree. Because the dissenters would be agressively silenced and removed.

Mike said...

Hippocratic Oath or Hypocritic Oath You Decide?

I feel like we've been living in some kind of bizarrro twilight zone episode the last 6 or 7 years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but just like doctors take a hippocratic oath to “do thy patient no harm”, doesnt our countries president also take an oath to defend and uphold the US Constitution, and dont other various professionals like lawyers, mortgage brokers, realtors etc... also take an oath saying they have a fiduciary duty to look after and protect their clients best interests rather than their own.

What is my point you might ask, ok, i'll get to the point, i'm sick and tired of the bogus Conservative talking point that the poor saps who were misled and duped into taking on mortgage loans they didnt have a prayer of being able to pay back is a buyer beware type thing and they got what they had coming to them for not understanding the terms of the me silly here, but I was under the impression that the mortgage brokers had a fiduciary duty to look out for the BUYERS interests and only qualify them for loans they could afford based on their ability to reasonably repay, not neglect their fiduciary duty to the buyer and promote their OWN greedy self interests by raking in fat loan origination fees and bonuses for negligently qualifying buyers for loans EVERYONE but a fool could clearly see they did not stand a chance of repaying. Conservatives keep mindlessly spewing and regurgitating the Orwellian party rhetoric and talking points like "we cant bail out reckless speculation at tax payer expense ". and "they signed the contract they need to be responsible for their actions"

Let me just give these bogus talking points their due..........

1) Like i said the mortgage brokers are the "so called" experts and professionals, they had a fiduciary duty to both the buyers first and their company second to give the buyers sound advice and only qualify them for loans they could afford. Instead THEY acted recklessly and irresponsibly and gave advice that benefitted themselves at their clients and companies expense. When we go to a doctor or lawyer we assume they are the experts in the area in which we seek their advice and further we expect they will use their knowledge to advise us, protect us and look out for our best interests and when they fail to do so and succomb to greed and put their own interests first they lose their license and are disbarred.

President Bush and the Federal Reserve are using smoke and mirrors to make it "appear they are flip flopping on their Orwellian party rhetoric and talking points like "we cant bail out reckless speculation at tax payer expense ". and "they signed the contract they need to be responsible for their actions" but in reality they are doing very little, they have done nothing to help the millions that have allready lost their homes due to this predatory vulture lending, they have done nothing to address the prime loans that are about to default or the people that have gone into excessive debt, ruined their credit and are near bankruptcy trying to keep their homes. What this is, is a smoke screen to provide camaflage to bail out the the wealthy Wall Street brokerage firms. Let me correct the Conservative Doublespeak and BS payer bailouts and welfare is fine if it is corporate welfare and bailouts for the wealthy elites. As long as the bailouts and welfare is for the Wallstreet elites and NOT the working class which constitutes the overwhelming majority of America it is perfectly fine and acceptable to the Conservative hypocrites. Take the huge tax cuts the oil and energy companies get from the Bush Administration for example are these cuts tied to anything productive like developing renewable cleaner alternative sources of energy like wind, natural gas, nuclear, clean coal, electric cars etc..., are they tied to increased production and refining, increased fuel economy; or is it a form of corporate welfare where the oil companies are Reagan's "Welfare Queens" getting government dole while raking in record profits at the expense of the working class and providing NOTHING of value in return. Say what you want about Bill Clinton, but he started welfare to work and at least demanded something in return for collecting welfare. Conservative’s often screech about free markets and capitalism, I wish we truly had freemarket capitalism, what Bush has given us is crony capitalism.

Right now we essentially have the fox in charge of the chicken coup. In summary we have a President who took an oath to defend and uphold the US Constitution, and instead he calls it a "goddamn piece of paper" and tries to torch it and has become the greatest enemy and threat the Constitution has ever known in our entire history, we have government regulators at the FCC and SEC whose job it is to protect consumers, diversity of opinion and truth in the media who have never seen a merger they didn’t like, and who could care less about the American people or ideals they were empowered to protect but only care about protecting the interests of the oil and media lobbies who are lining their pockets and pulling their strings. They could care less about protecting the consumer from the ruthless price gouging of the monopolies and oligopolies, and from media empires deceiving and manipulating people with their corporate fascist agendas. We have mortgage brokers lining their own pockets at the expense of those they were supposed to advise and protect, we have doctors and insurance and HMO companies who care more about lining their own pockets than providing quality health care and saving lives, we have Senators whose job it is to protect children from sexual predators who are sexual predators themselves.

So in conclusion I have to say it looks like "do thy patient no harm" has become in conservative jargon a "quaint" and antiquated way of thinking it has been replaced by a greed is good mentality. The hippocratic oath has been replaced by a hypocritic oath, we NEED to decide in the 2008 election if hypocrisy is acceptible or if we want to go back to the days of the hippocratic oath and restore honor and integrity to our country, by taking it back from the entrenched special interests.

Mike said...

Merry Christmas Volt!

Mike said...

Voltron said...
Actually Mike,

The subprime mortgage crisis has been CAUSED by congress who forced lenders to make riskier loans. (See: "The Community Reinvestment Act") Particularly the changes made in '95 and '05.
And I note that the hedge fund John Edwards worked for has been highly active in forclosures...

And lest we forget, Clinton signed welfare reform only on the third time around due to public pressure. AND it was one of the SEVEN bills signed by him taken from the 10 items in Newts "Contract with America".

Enjoy that!"

Ahh I see so what your REALLY saying is the repug Congress is at fault for the Subprime meltdown..........glad your so honest and willing to put blame where its cant trust those repugs to hold the reigns of power they destroy EVERYTHING they touch with their incompetence...........some people have the midas touch the repugs have the crapola touch where everything they touch turns to shit!

Mike said...

So what's your take on the election Volt..............I was actually rooting for Romney the mighty hunter last week.............LOL.

Unfortunately it looks like Hillary has been annointed the next President by the Powers That Be, primarily the MSM and Wall Street Money Men, Guess they gave up on the repugs who thought they could maintain perpetual power and a permanent repug majority as the delusional koolaid drinking fools we all said they were......go figure we were right again!

Mike said...

Maybe i'll have to take over this blog............since it appears i'm persona nongratta other places as well and Since YOU Voltron are such a champion of free speech and such a staunch opponent of censorship.........BBL!

Voltron said...

Well Mike, I'm actually rooting for Romney at this point.
I do like Duncan Hunter the most, but he's not even showing on the polls.

Oh and congrats on overcoming your fear of posting here...LOL

Voltron said...

And I would point out that I'm conservative first, and republican second.

The republican congress beginning with Newt in '94 was good, and led to many good laws signed by and taken credit by the Clintonista's.

However, by the 2000's they became arrogant and as corrupt as the dems they replaced. I was not sorry to see them go, nor were many others.

They were rejected by the voters, NOT because of their conservative values but because they had LOST their conservative values.

Voltron said...

You might have to be content just talking to me though.

Moo Moo and TT have been MIA for a very long time. FF checks in quarterly or so, but not often...LOL

Voltron said...

And you'll find that I won't delete honest personal opinions and feelings.

I will however delete 300 page scroll fests designed simply to take up as much space as possible.

Freedom Fan said...

...And this is how democracy would work if they were in power too. Everything would be beautiful and everyone would agree. Because the dissenters would be agressively silenced and removed.

Indeed Volt. Check out the inquisitions now being conducted by the Canadian "Human Rights Council". The libs running Canada have effectively abolished freedom of speech. They now silence anyone they deem guilty of "hate speech", kinda like university bureaucrats and web sites like LC's do in the U.S.

It's all very odd, 'that's for sure'

Mike said...

Wow, many of us are battling left wing trolls to defend Mitt Romney being smeared and defending Christians from being attacked by left wing trolls and Volt doesnt even notice.

Voltron said...

I noticed Mike.

I was even gonna register at TP to post the message that Worflebee wanted but you beat me to it.

Oh, and hello FF. I wasn't expecting you so soon...LOL
Hope things are going well with you. It'd be nice to see you around more often. You are missed.

Freedom Fan said...

Thanks, Volt. Nice to be missed. Hi Mike. Glad to hear you're no longer a leftist.